In honor of Asian Month...All Look Same | What does it even mean to be Racist anymore? | Matt Kim #031

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okay we're live

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good morning everybody it is for us Monday 7 30 a.m

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We had a busy schedule this week so we are recording our Thursday episode on

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May 1st 7 30 A.M you got it and it's uh apparently Asian

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American heritage month or something like this it is Asian American Pacific

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Islander heritage month is that the real full thing that is a real thing it used to be Asian Pacific Heritage Month

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and then I believe it used to be a week and from my understanding George Bush

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decided to make it a month oh really this was a George Bush thing he made it

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a month since Joyce was senior or George Bush too 1990-ish yes

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so King Bush made it Asian Pacific heritage month and then

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King Obama who made it Asian American Pacific Islander heritage month because

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he thought the Asian American Asian Pacific Heritage Month wasn't descriptive enough

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oh I see he needed a greater swath for his electoral base right correct exactly

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so happy Asian American Pacific Islander heritage month everybody

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here's the thing I'm actually confused about guys good morning everybody the thing I'm confused about is like what

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are we actually promoting here like how are how are Asians doing better because of this well well can you look up what

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it actually means because I'm not a thousand percent sure on what that means I believe it's supposed to be similar to

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the Asian version of Black History Month okay so to celebrate Asian American

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contributions to United States Maybe listen to this listen to this guy okay

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first and foremost I think okay what does it say may is Asian Pacific Heritage Month a celebration of

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Asians and Pacific Islanders in the American states a rather broad term Asian Pacific encompasses all Asian

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continents blah blah blah like most commemorative moments Asian American History Month originated in Congress in

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1977 reps Frank Horton New York introduced the house resolution and the whole purpose of this was to be a month

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to commemorate the immigration of the first Japanese oh so the month of May was chosen to commemorate the

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immigration of the first Japanese the United States in May 7th 7th 1843 in which they subsequently put all of the

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Japanese in internment camps and then completely murdered a lot of them I

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don't think that's what it says no that's not what that's not what it said guys but that's kind of what happened afterwards right didn't Truman do that

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thanks Truman so it is to celebrate Asian Americans and and Pacific

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Americans I'm trying to figure out what the difference is there is no

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difference let's be let's be intellectually honest when Black History Month rolls around do you actually sit

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down and think to yourself I need to celebrate Blackness or my or my blackness

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basically what Matt says he sits down and he says Black History Month how can I celebrate my blackness so there is a

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Black History Month there is this this month which is Asian American Pacific Islander heritage month I believe

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there's also Hispanic month which is not a full month but like goes from October

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September 15th October 15th October 15th November 15th there's too many cultures there's not only 12 months man where

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it's not going to work out in the end and we've mentioned this before in the past uh but the term Asian is really

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weird for me because Asian is everything that's a part of

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your Asia that is not white yes so it's China Japan Korea India correct Mongolia

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right they're all Asian and they're all the same continent so Europe and Asia

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are the same content geography lesson everybody there is no content divide between Europe and Asia they just took

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the European White Europeans on one side and they said everything that's not that is now Asia

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which is really interesting because some European especially some Russian States

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most of their citizens look dagam Asian and because there's been that inner

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breeding their ladies are absolutely gorgeous in those cases they're like the most gorgeous age somewhat Asian looking

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but they're all Russian speaking it's crazy like Kazakhstan yeah

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and in Asia if you're in Korea and you look at a world map India is not a part Asia

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which makes sense because there's 1.5 billion of them yes they are their own

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content if we are no longer using Continental Divide so India and South

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Asia should be its own continent technically technically because we're dividing by how people look not by

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actual geography right yes so then those are cultural divide as well correct so

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they are very similar so if you see someone from India or Pakistan or bank or Bangladesh they look very similar

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similar culture and Heritage yep all look same guys all look same if anything I would argue that Asian all of Asia is

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probably the most culturally diverse maybe looks more similar but culturally the most diverse

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between Korea and Japan and Vietnam and Cambodia and Philippines their culture

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is not similar absolutely very different histories that are extremely long

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histories yes so if anything I would say they are more diverse they just look

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similar they're kind of yellow in that slanty that reminds me did you ever go to that website back in the day all look

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same no okay we'll check it out see if it's still around all look same.com I believe was what it was and it's I it's

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hilarious they essentially throw up two random pictures of Asians right all it's still here click on it

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let's go through this all looks same so so you're supposed to guess okay okay

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all right let's guess is this guy Japanese Creator I think he's Japanese I'm gonna say Chinese okay whatever

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whatever will you know we gotta we gotta go with a group pick all right Japanese Japanese I'll choose the first one

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you'll choose the next one all right so all look same Chinese all right your call Chinese

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uh totally he's got to be Japanese all right all right I'm gonna make the call on that one

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uh this guy's Chinese okay I want to say Japanese all right let's see whatever he

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says all right this guy's Korean he looks Korean yeah he looks Korean

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she is either Chinese or Korean

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Korean what do you think will uh see this is the problem this is the

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problem with this I can't believe it looks same man I can't believe this site is still out this site has been out for over two decades guys like I used to

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chalk this up this in college we used to make fun of it because people were like who is this I think this is

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Chinese all right maybe Korean

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this guy's either Japanese or Korean yeah to Japanese

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she is Japanese is that what you think no no way a fine fine because the teeth okay

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Japanese yeah Chinese Chinese yeah I think it's the

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teeth that does it for me this one he looks Japanese he looks really all right

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let's see how we do let's see how we do She's Gotta Be Crazy Korean that's about it she's got that angry

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cream yeah yeah this guy's Korean too this guy looks Korean he could pass the Japanese Korean or

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Chinese for sure I'm gonna say Korean on this one yeah yeah

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Chinese yeah yeah I could see that I think so yeah she's not she's she's Chinese I think

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Korean you think Korea yeah I think so okay I

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think so oh this could go either way Chinese all

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right all right all right I can see that

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average is seven wait they got to give us what they really are how are they gonna just tell

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us wrong yes or no oh man so we got this guy we got this

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guy this guy was probably Japanese yeah he's probably Japanese

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wait if you hover over them do they tell you what the correct answer was oh they should tell us who it was I think they

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did it better on the previous versions but see this is the problem this is like like

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this was the first time these are the correct answers I think remember we picked the Japanese for this guy right

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oh it's whether or not we got it right or wrong or what they really are we definitely didn't pick Korean for her

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yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah dude these are the answers but we whatever we picked was wrong oh

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okay so we do not know our Asians so but here's here's the point like this this

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site has been around for over two decades in my uh from my from what I understand and so Matt got this right oh

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you did get it right I I knew a girl that looked just like her so and so this was the first time like

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20 years ago when I realized like I couldn't blame white people for not telling them for be basically saying you

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know Peter you guys all look the same it's like you're not wrong we kind of all look the same bro so when

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you're in South America and they see an Asian person they call everyone Chino yes they do they do they

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do and there are Asians out there who get very offended by that why because they're like I'm not Chinese right

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um I was in China once and I was at the hotel and I saw these

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two girls sitting at the bar two white girls Eastern European I assumed they were probably Ukrainian

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I saw them sitting at the bar wearing very pretty dresses at a hotel bar and I

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automatically assumed that they were hookers welcome to early morning pods guys on

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Mondays [Laughter] and I thought about I was like they

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could be Russian they're probably like oh this guy's a racist they thought I was Ukrainian right but

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in context of where I was and what was going on at the situation to think that

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they are Ukrainian hookers I don't think it has a far reach I don't think that makes me racist for I think of that so I

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don't think so I think it's okay that for you to have preferences and you for you to project I don't know the other preference

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no that's what I'm saying it's nothing wrong everyone has preferences and they

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project those preferences out into the world and and people sometimes say that your preferences are biased towards one

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particular people group or one particular thing that you appreciate more than others is that racist I don't

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think so at all so I think it's okay to have preferences and to project those preferences out to the world and is it

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so bad to be a little racist I think the way that you say state it is

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problematic I think I would restate it saying is it bad to have preferences and

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to communicate preferences of communication style physical looks

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culture this is okay isn't having preconceived notions about somebody or a set of

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people based on their race the definition of racism

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no is it not can can you no can you Google what Google racism so we can

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figure it out here so clearly 40 year old man can't figure out what racism is or we still don't know what it is no

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I'll tell you what race racism is is a particular I'm saying it my way particular bias towards a particular

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skin color where you are choosing

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uh or thinking that that skin color is better than another skin color right

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something like this and you and you behave differently based on that what does it say belief that a race is

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fundamentally determinant of human traits and capacities and is racial differences produce an inherent

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superiority of a particular race okay so what racism really is is believing that one skin color is more valuable than

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another skin color but that requires context every if I am at a basketball court

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and I see and we are picking teams and I pick the black guy because I

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assume he's gonna be better is that racism I mean essentially according to the definition right

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I'm assuming yeah Superior at basketball than the Korean guy the Asian guy I am

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I guess we could categorize that as race you're being racist am I I don't think so I don't think so I mean

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by definition I am right I guess but I mean you're not systematically oppressing this person you're actually

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using this person as a black I mean if we go into definition two definition three maybe but if we start stay at

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definition one yeah this political stuff is nonsense if we stay at number one which is believing that one race has

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more capabilities or Superior to others uh and you make decisions based on that

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I guess that would be considered racist okay I'll give you another scenario I'm I was out at dinner with a couple

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friends of mine and we like to do something called credit card roulette yes I understand that we throw our

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credit cards in and one person pays exactly and this one night

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um one of my white friends lost and you know they he gets a bill and

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he's got to pay and you apply his phone and I already know what he's gonna do with his phone he's calculating his tip

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because he needs a calculator because you know they're not going to math right I knew what he was gonna do as soon as

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he grabbed his phone I was like this can't do the math on 20 and

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and he needs his calculator and fair enough that's exactly what he was

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doing did you keep the silent part inside of course not I said really bro you need a calculator for 20 on this one

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right do I throw him shade like that man but I totally assumed and I was correct

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and I assume that me as an Asian is better at math

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and that he was grabbing his phone not to take a picture but to use a

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calculator is that racist is that racist I I just I don't think so man I I think

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my I think my spectrum of what racism is is for what racism isn't is far broader

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than most people I just don't get offended that easily and I don't know if that it means that you get offended

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um right I think that's a secondary thing doesn't racism require someone to be offended for it to be racism like

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think about this like if no one ever got offended about the fact that you had a

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bias or you had a particular slant or you had a particular predisposition

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if no one actually ever got offended or gave a no one would ever categorized it as

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racist but we are in a day and age where someone is always offended by something

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yeah because people are a bunch of pansies man so there could easily be someone that says I can't believe you

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assumed that your white friend cannot do 20 math and they are very offended by it

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okay so that by them being offended by it is that a reflection of you or is

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that a reflection of their of them and then their insecurities about that idea

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there was a time where they said anyone that voted for Trump was a racist yeah

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okay yep yeah I remember that yep and it's almost like the term racism gets

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thrown around so haphazardly that it's almost losing its meaning I I go I think

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we've already we're already there I think the the word racism or racist has completely lost any meaning of the

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original intent and it actually holds very little water and very little weight these days because it's so easy to call

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someone a racist yeah and per modern definition of how easily it's thrown

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around I would categorize myself in that category of a modern day racist

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you heard it here folks make sure to go to Discord join us smash the like button

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and subscribe it was at this moment that he knew Matt Kim podcast the racist

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you know we've had this conversation before but if I walk into a Mexican restaurant and everyone in that

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restaurant is not Mexican I assume this place is gonna suck oh

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so is that based on but that I think that is also based on experience because I have been to several restaurants in my

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past where I've gone in there and it's a it has deep cultural Roots you know but

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everyone in there is not from that culture and then the food ends up sucking because it's kind of like going

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to it's kind of like Chinese American Chinese food what most people don't realize is American Chinese food they don't actually eat any of that

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actually in China right it's all just Americanized version of chicken and beef

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essentially right when we go to the Chinese supermarket and we eat at the

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food court and everyone there is eating Chinese we know the food here is gonna be fire

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we know it's gonna be amazing we know it yeah right because everyone's Chinese yeah everyone's Chinese exactly you know

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but it's essentially doing the same thing these days right um being able to understand that

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cultures are different I think it's okay to have certain preconceived notions

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oh for sure you it's it's more than okay to have preconceived notions it's more than okay to have preferences which

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which I find that the vast majority of the people that get offended about racism are people who are offended that

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you have preferences and that you have particular leanings and particular things that you care about and value

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more than others I think that's absolutely human it's absolutely fine and I find that most people who claim

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racism are looking for ways to be upset that's what I think I think if you're

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look if like like trust me guys I think I think everyone out there can

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understand and agree with what I'm about to say which is simply this if you are looking for racism

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you can find it trust me you can find it everywhere and so I think we've we've

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used this term racism especially with the with Trump trump totally put it over the we jump the shark with Trump I mean

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if you voted for Trump or you had any affiliation with Trump you're a racist completely diluting the word in its some

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totality did the term China virus offend you

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no not at all because we were told it's xenophobic of

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course that it is divisive and he said it's because that's where it's from yeah

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that was funny which is that's where it's from According to recent documents it's

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pretty much confirmed that it did come from the Wuhan Chinese lab right but

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why was it so why was that term so triggering for people is that is it that

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people were truly offended by it or was that a narrative being pushed or was it

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a combination of both it was a narrative being pushed we we the reason why we

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couldn't people didn't or let's just say this because I'm not going to speak for the rest of the world I'll just say this

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the Talking Heads the propagandists on mainstream media were all telling us that if we say Chinese virus then we're

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racist that's what they were telling us the Talking Heads the reason I believe that they were saying that it's racist

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is because they didn't want us focusing on the fact that the real potential of

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this virus could have actually come out of China so it was truly an obfuscation

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of the realities of the issue which is they knew it came from China they knew

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that they were doing gain of function research they knew that they were putting millions of dollars to it

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and but of course now maybe this is a March 2020 uh it's not this guy's saying

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it's not racist it's not racist but remember just recently not too long ago we had the Chinese weather balloon but

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that wasn't racist you you could say that all the time that it was a Chinese weather balloon but the Chinese weather balloon doesn't have major implications

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for killing millions of people all over the globe what is this our

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NCSU what college is NCSU NC State

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all right man you like articles articles from colleges like this NC State talking

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about why this is uh is racist is is a

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complete waste of these students by saying Chinese varies he points specifically at Asian appearing people

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what the is an Asian appearing person versus an Asian person I remember my

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people that people of China were also victims I saw an igtv video from a citizen from Wuhan China who made the

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video to warn the world of disease around late January this isn't the point though but that is the point the point is that

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you saw a Chinese citizen saying it coming from China it's a problem

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maybe you guys should all know about it maybe that maybe that is the issue that you're glazing over that people were

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actually talking about the truth of this virus coming out of a Chinese lab and you rather focus on the fact that you're

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offended that they use the word China because Aina I have spoken to

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some more say liberal Asian Americans who were offended by this

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they're I'm just going to say that they're just laughs

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that's just why are you gonna get offended over words you and I grew up you and I grew up in a time where at

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least my parents said this to me sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me

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now we live in a world where Sticks and Stones do break bones and words make you absolutely insane people you get

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absolutely offended about why I just I just don't see the value of getting offended over words and we're in a day and age where there

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are more words out there than ever of course so I'm taking kind of a Hardline stance here but you know you could be on

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the other side of this but man I just I don't I don't ever I've never claimed anyone is racist

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ever even if even if it's almost obviously true I'm just like no you just have a preference and you're vocalizing

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it right now and uh that it is what it is now if you use derogatory terms like

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the n-word or something like that that's a little too far right okay so n-word N word N word n word

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when I was young in high school I will admit I did use the n-word

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so did I because I grew up we grew up in a time of a lot of hip-hop

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I grew up around a lot of basketball courts and this is just a word that was

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used commonly yeah we and you and I had a lot of black friends correct and and back

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then the cultural divide between the black culture and Asian culture was less

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divisive than it is now correct and I was and I I won't speak for you but I'll tell you with my black friends they

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considered me kind of a homie yes like I was part you know I was a person of color they did not find offense to it

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that I used that word exactly they did not and I know a lot and it's funny that

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we have to use that word with calling it the n-word

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but I've heard a lot of blacks whites even Asians use the word oh and

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that's crazy that I can say that yeah right yeah I can say that word yep you can but I can't say the other word or

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you could say but you can't say that word you can't say it inward there's something there's something holy about

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that word it's been it's been put on this pedestal of like the absolute Untouchable word that that only a

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certain people group can use which is absolutely fascinating to me and I would argue that if there is a group of people

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other than the blacks that are allowed to use that word I would argue it's the Asians

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well let me say this and I don't I don't know if this is your experience but I'll tell you the Filipino and the Vietnamese

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that I grew up around they would use the n-word more than black people I don't know what it was about that culture at

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least I was down in Jacksonville Florida so maybe it had something to do with it um but the Filipino crew and like the

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Vietnamese crew those guys were so always dropping the end bomb all the time with their crazy accents yeah man

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because if there was if there's a hierarchy of groups of people

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that are responsible for racial oppression in America

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and for um you know African-American slavery and um you know division of

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monks color in America right if there was a hierarchy of people involved

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at the very bottom of the list that considers least responsible would be

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Asians oh for sure for sure right there's a hierarchy of like you know like white

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black other blah blah blah blah blah yeah you know Jewish this and this and at the very bottom literally last place

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would be Asian yes Asians and stereotypically we could also say the

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Asians generally in that vein are the least offensive people group we're kind of the most stereotypically maybe even

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in a racist vein we are the most passive group most racist group

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but keep it to themselves yeah we do we keep it internally we don't say the silent

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part out loud well sometimes sometimes we do but least responsible right

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and but what Rose me the wrong way is every time there is a George Floyd type

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event a Rodney King type of event and black Americans get really pissed

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off and they always write and loot the Asian owned stores yes anger is going the wrong way

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it is going the wrong way we have nothing to do with any of that nothing we don't we don't frankly care in many

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cases we were not involved in the 1800s 1700s 1900s we weren't even here yet

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yeah and frankly the the times that we did import ourselves the Chinese became slave labor for the Chinese the railway

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yep and the Japanese went into internment camps we are great at slaving ourselves

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all right yeah we do kind of because there is this news right now of the um

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Chinese police stations um have you seen that can you pull up the article well there are Chinese police stations in

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America and they were getting shut down have you seen that yes I have apparently China has exported their

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control apparatus out into America and they call it secret Chinese police

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stations and the right is pretty upset why is the

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right upset about that because they think that Chinese have secret police

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stations to monitor Americans in the United States and the reality of it is is that really

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what it is no they're Chinese police stations are there to help other Chinese

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when the cops don't show up yes that's what I understood that's what they're there for that's why they're always in

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the Chinatown frankly the first time that I heard about or knew about a Chinese police station was a decade ago

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when there was a I don't remember the details but long story short there was a

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Chinese guy who had an altercation he didn't get the respectable due process

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from the the police system locally and so he went to the Chinese version to get

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help and that was like the first time I heard about something like this was a decade ago so I knew about these police stations that were specifically there to

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help their citizenry and to help their their expats in America deal with the

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governmental considerations that it can happen when you're living here when there's not so much support from the

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American system and you don't speak English so going to the Chinese consulate or going to the Chinese police stations is this the basically the

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second best thing that you can do so I always saw them as kind of a positive thing at least in my in my eyes

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self-monitoring yeah self-policing self-policing and in the era of defund

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the police people will naturally figure out their own ways to monitor Health protect Etc that's how mafias grow

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on the other side of it there is a organization operating outside the lines

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of U.S law that bells and they're almost a group of their own Vigilantes

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technically uh right so that's what it's become I don't know is it I don't know we'll see because

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they are arresting people or creating I don't know if they arrest people actually are they arresting people I

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don't know what I thought they were just a civil service helping out their your Chinese citizenry get jobs job

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placements you know if there's type of legal issues you know they have free legal counsel these types of things I

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think they're there to sell disputes so if one guy robs another guy instead

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of going through the U.S police and court system they handle it

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amongst themselves it's kind of like how the the Jewish culture does it too I think the Jewish culture has their own

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internal like consulate or their own internal legal system I could be you guys correct me if I'm wrong but I

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believe they also have something like that actually I was at um I was doing a membership thing at one of

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the churches locally here and they were talking about their own structure so if

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there's conflict between church members say one guy has an affair with another guy another girl right another guy

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whatever it is okay Matt that they are able it's like that they are able to

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have their own tribunal to decide amongst themselves I see how they handle

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and those are actual structural organizations to that which I thought was interesting so is this a new thing or is this just like a like we're a

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church group or we're a group and it's better that we settle stuff in in in indoors inside

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I mean one could say that that is a good thing because you're able to figure out

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and settle civil disputes without getting the government involved I think that's racist

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one the other side with that people would think that was racist exactly because you are going against what the

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actual laws and rules are and you're setting up your own rules based on your cultural ideology

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which is that racist though I mean what's racist I mean that's kind of where we started right yeah well that's

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why that's why I'm bringing it to be racist I'm going to say something a little off color maybe pun intended more

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than what I said already oh maybe maybe but like I actually don't believe racism

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is real I'm just gonna say it out there I just all the all the band take all all

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the banter that I just talked about over the last 20 minutes or stuff like if I were to put it all together man I just

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don't think racism is real I think I think people have obviously not I think

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obviously people have different colors they come in different colors different shapes different sizes different

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backgrounds different cultures table Stakes we all understand this we're all a bunch of Skittles at the end of the

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day in this world so if I like the red skittles more

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because they just taste good and I like the shiny red color am I a racist no I

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have a preference for a particular for a particular taste I have a a preference

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for a particular you know idea I have a preference for a particular experience

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and my natural preferences drive my decision making to choose the red

33:21

skittles over the purple over the green over the orange now if I were to make a

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big deal over it and say uh you have red skittles and you have

33:32

green Skittles you have orange Skittles Matt and frankly I'm going to tell you how to live and you should never eat the

33:39

yellow Skittles never eat the the red uh the blue Skittles you should only eat the red skittles because I like red

33:45

skittles am I being racist or am I strongly advocating for my preference in your

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life like I'm being dead serious like I

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you you have a daughter you know I have kids I never discussed race with my kids

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in any type of negative context ever it's always just in identifying marker

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he was a brown skin upper okay it's brown skin great oh he was pale skin or

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Pete we we taught them to use the word Peach skin which is funny because she thinks all

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Koreans have Peach skin she's like oh crazy she says she if she talks about

34:27

something they had Peach skin then I automatically think she's talking about Korean so so like they have brown skin

34:33

or they have Peach skin APA and it's just been a a marker of identification to create context around the

34:39

conversation so I know that she's talking about someone who's X Y and Z but at the end of the day she would

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never as a 12 year old consider what she says is racist it's just an identifying marker that helps create context for the

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conversation and frankly so far up to 12 years old Matt I'll tell you she's never had any type of any state treatments

34:59

that tell me that she has one preference over the other we as adults have preferences we like to exact and execute

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across those uh those preferences but I'm just gonna stay here right now on

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mattkins podcast on April is it what are we may first May 1st racism isn't real

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it's not real it's it's a social construct created to divide people

35:23

across a line that doesn't matter and that's my opinion so do you remember

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back in the day when they announced the blue Eminem yes

35:35

for the young people out there Eminem's did not used to have blue nope

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it was a marketing thing where they decided they're gonna do a vote what color is the next Eminem and then they

35:47

made a blue moon so I was at the mall one day and they had those candy stands where you can

35:53

like pick your own things and I asked the lady if I could have just blue M M's oh

35:59

because as I thought that was funny I was a kid yeah and they're like of course no like you can't just pick out

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all the blue M M's really they won't let you just pick out the blood

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I think not I don't think racism isn't real I think it's very real really I

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think racism is okay oh that's a now you're basically saying

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the same thing as me except you're ascending to this word racism is being correct true and real and it's okay

36:31

whereas I would say the word preference I think if I think racist laws are not

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okay now we're getting the agreement yes so if there are laws that say certain types

36:45

of people or certain colors of people can do this but you cannot do this I think that's it's

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100 we also know that here in the United States currently there are no racist laws

36:57

that divide well arguable if you call affirmative action Reverse Racism I was about to say

37:04

affirmative action or sometimes called I don't care for people that get offended sometimes people call it affirmative

37:10

blackshin because the black people are really the only ones that can really take advantage of that correct because

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it rarely it's rarely positive for the other Racers out there

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I mean Asians frankly if we were to look in the educational Arena alone they get screwed from the affirmative action all

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the time correct so I think racist laws are you know like you certain people can

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go to this restaurant and some people can go to this by law I think that

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should be no good yeah I think people I truly believe in

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freedom of speech freedom of religion freedom of to believe what you want freedom of Association and if you want

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to have a all black Club which there exists do you yeah do it do

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you yeah but if you're not allow an all-black club and you're gonna allow an all Asian club which exists if you try

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to go to a Korean Club in certain cities and you're not Korean they may not let

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you in there's no such thing as a white Club they just call it golf [Laughter]

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you would know Matt there's no white clothes well they call them Country Club

38:25

but you can't have it all white Club I remember when remember the um

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remember the uh the gay Bakery

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there was a bakery no it was a it was a Conservative Christian bakery that that no to making a cake cake and they

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canceled that Bakery yes they did for saying no to making the gay cake that's their preference I think that's okay for

38:53

them I think it's true it's a private business if they would um I think this is important it's a

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private business which means they can choose whoever they want to serve if they want to do bad business bad

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business is refusing to service people who are willing to pay you money correct so I believe that two things can be

39:14

simultaneously true at the same time which is they can be an independent business and have preferences to who

39:19

they want to serve true they can also make poor decisions on their own of who not to serve true

39:27

and frankly they have the right to do so the quite the real issue was is that

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they brought it to the news or the gay people brought into the news and said we want to boycott or we want to cancel these people but two things can be

39:38

simultaneously true you can be an independent owner operator do whatever you want you can also make Bad Business decisions as well correct because the

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market will speak exactly and that Bakery I think it was in San Francisco [Music]

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to say I will not do gay cakes in San Francisco it's probably business suicide

39:57

most I think it was I think it was Seattle or or regardless it was a very

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Liberal Liberal area yeah Bad Business decision that was a bad business decision and that bad business decision

40:09

should let um kind of let that play out on its own let the market decide the government

40:15

should not go in and say you have to make a cake that is overstepping that was the line and I believe that's what

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they did yes um and that I think is not okay when they are allowed to make that decision let the market speak let the market

40:28

react let if the gays in the area one or protested

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and they're allowed to do that too they want to leave negative reviews go for it the government cannot get

40:41

involved you know it's interesting you bring up this this this um this Bakery who refused to bake a

40:48

cake for a gay couple I think you might have just pinpointed

40:53

the last major mainstream Media news on the gays like if you think about it the

40:59

gays have won like nobody cares if you're gay anymore no no like seriously

41:04

nobody cares you you have the Gaze have successfully

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achieved their mission which is full acceptance rights and frankly what maybe

41:17

they didn't realize is what comes with those those rights and that acceptance is you are now a nobody like nobody

41:22

cares about you yeah right so I think the bakery was kind of the last major

41:27

mainstream Media news about like gays and their rights think about this okay

41:33

now we've shifted from The Gaze to the other end of the LGBT or LGB now we have

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the Q and T right plus plus so the QT plus is now the mainstream Vogue it's

41:47

the mainstream you know uh thing that everyone's getting upset about right so

41:53

I I think the gays have finally won which is fascinating because I now I'm

41:58

seeing this thing called gays against groomers have you seen that

42:03

what so I just saw this like a month ago or something like this apparently there's a big contingencies of gays who

42:10

are anti TQ plus they are conservative gays okay

42:18

is what it what I took as okay you educate me on this maybe you know more

42:23

about this well I saw this the other day I was like what how are the gays against trans like I saw this I was like they

42:29

are against promoting um hormone therapy to minors yes that's

42:34

right they are against um the drag shows for the kids yeah don't with the kids yeah so

42:41

gays against groomers far right they I love how they call them far right what does that even mean anymore is an

42:48

American far-right anti-lgbt except they are a group of how can you say your

42:54

anti-lgbt when it says gays yeah yeah

42:59

we live in clown world man that's like me saying I I that's like saying Asians

43:05

against groomers is an American far-right Asian but this is also uh

43:11

Wikipedia yeah that's true revisionist history at its best they have been promoted by far right

43:17

wing media Outlets such as Fox News one America news network and Infowars

43:23

Infowars compared to Libs of tick tock so this is a group of gay people that

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are against certain um extremely liberal movement of the

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lgbtq plus movement I think it's mostly the TQ plus which is crazy because

43:44

you you promote lgbtq plus but if you don't agree with the main Narrative of

43:51

lgbtq plus you are now considered a

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anti-lgbtq plus lgbtq plus man the fact that we're like struggling saying this

44:03

stuff is it has there has to be there's there's so much satires like in in this

44:09

that's like when they call uh like Candace Owens are racist because she's

44:14

she's they say she's anti-black she's like and from a physical appearance

44:19

she's like a dark black she's a dark chocolate and she's pretty no no doubt

44:25

she's pretty but she's like a dark black like she's really black yeah and so I find it fascinating when they say that

44:30

she's like a racist and she's uh well what are these people going on

44:36

anyway there what was that so you believe racism is okay because

44:44

it's a natural order of things I'm putting words in your mouth now I think preferences are 100 okay it's just a

44:51

matter of letting of saying the silent part out loud if you're if you lack

44:57

self-control and you are communicating your preferences in maybe a derogatory

45:02

fashion that's on you brother like shut the up nobody cares about your prep

45:07

live your preferences you don't need to tell nobody about your preferences is the way that I see it right if I if I

45:14

like if I like chocolate ice cream I should enjoy chocolate ice cream

45:19

whenever I want to have chocolate ice cream but I should not be offended and I not should probably in most cases not be

45:26

promoting or pushing or evangelizing or proselytizing that you should enjoy

45:33

chocolate too and if you don't like chocolate you're a terrible anti-chocolate person like come on let's come on like that's

45:40

that's problems that's Solutions looking for problems in most cases I think people are just complaining for the fact

45:46

that they have something to complain about and they feel like inside they're they're they're unwell they're not

45:52

fulfilled in life and so they need to make sure that their misery has company and they want to make sure that you're reminded that you're a terrible person

45:58

just like they are I think talking about it is okay I think telling people you

46:04

don't like certain things is fine um I think the problem stems from

46:10

forcing people to believe your way yes I think it's okay that people like

46:15

different things and that we'd say we I do you say don't say the silent part out loud you can say the silent part I said

46:22

wear a t-shirt about it I don't care because the market and Society will naturally organize itself around it yeah

46:30

and I think the idea is that people in America especially in America are inherently not negatively racist they

46:37

don't believe that one group is um Superior to another as far as

46:44

um people are concerned maybe I think Korean food is better than other food

46:50

peace I think Asians are better at math peace

46:56

I think black people jump higher and run faster peace they're stronger peace but

47:04

it doesn't mean I think one person one group is superior to another group as a

47:10

whole but in certain things based on our history

47:15

so so I think I think we we should now say we it's your call the madkin podcast

47:22

should be an environment where we can speak freely about Color Race

47:27

preferences all these things right preferences include the entire gamut from sexual preference to whatever

47:33

preference and for all of you guys out there who claim us as racist or bigots or un

47:40

insensitive insensitive people off [Laughter]

47:45

talking about this topic off man I've been thinking about this topic a little bit because our last video

47:52

um we talked about politics a little bit a lot and and coming up with a title I was

47:59

like what title can I put that will help with the algorithm

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yep and it's turns out that the algorithm appreciates words that are divisive

48:12

correct but highly and inflammatory but highly specific correct I hate playing

48:19

the race card yeah I think it's dumb I think we are who we are and at the end of the day we're all Americans we lived

48:26

here I was born here we have our families here our businesses are here our futures are here

48:34

and YouTube wants me to pigeonhole myself into being

48:39

a certain way for sure they're they without saying it out loud they're

48:46

essentially saying if you claim to be and if you pigeonhole

48:51

yourself or if you go into the slot of I am a Asian conservative

48:57

we will promote you yes we will promote you more if you are a little bit of

49:03

everything we don't like that we want you to be the Asian guy

49:09

so will you capitulate will you become the Asian guy or will you continue to

49:15

experiment about around the breadth and depth and latitude in which we are having conversations now so we ran an

49:22

experiment last week and I had a discussion with will we talked about this for hours because he knows how much

49:28

I hate doing the I'm Asian thing we know and we're like let's try it I bet you if

49:36

we put do the Asians support Trump in a title

49:41

I bet you YouTube will give it more Impressions and put it out there more

49:46

and so they did of course they did it of course they did of course they did

49:52

because category categorizing us is far easier right it's far easier for their

49:58

algorithms for sure they want you to be your race they want that to be your

50:05

identity so why do you think media companies and certainly mainstream

50:10

media is promoting divisiveness and promoting

50:17

separation based on skin color culture and all this stuff why do you think

50:23

they're pushing this agenda this propaganda of racism and skin color and all this stuff

50:29

why do you think that is so because it's obvious it's obvious if you turn on mainstream media now it's always

50:36

black person versus white person or you know Asian person versus black person or you know black you know white cop versus

50:43

it's always Iran along these these racial lines there's crate they're always promoting this this dividing line

50:49

of race why do you think that is why are they doing this to us so I want to say that they're doing

50:55

intentionally to the virus right I want to say but for what end well I also want

51:01

to say maybe they're just doing it because that's what people click on maybe that's just the primal

51:07

ooze that comes out of us yeah it's the Primal need of because we blame the media for dividing and putting all these

51:16

um categories on people right and using persistent words I know where you're going with this but the reality is that

51:21

that's what we as people click on and want to consume maybe they're just giving us what we want maybe we're

51:27

just derogatory son of a yeah so I I want to blame the media I want to

51:33

blame Tech I want to blame the people that work and lurk in the shadows like we always do but maybe at some point we

51:40

didn't need to do like some self-reflection like they're giving us exactly what we want

51:46

and what we want is divisiveness what we want is trauma drama what we want is

51:52

more reality TV because the reality is is that if people didn't click that

51:58

they wouldn't make it which reminds me of the we just had a famous person just

52:04

pass his name was Jerry Springer did you hear about that sad sad

52:10

this is very apropos it's contextually relevant to our conversation right now because I tweeted about this I I tweeted

52:18

about it I said I heard Jerry Springer has died and I said maybe the reason why

52:23

he's died this is a little bit tongue-in-cheek but maybe the reason Jerry Springer died is because he's no longer needed the world has become his

52:31

show is what I said and so maybe there's there's a tongue-in-cheek and there's some there's some you know comicalness

52:37

in that but I truly believe that the world has at some level become the clown

52:44

show that he began back in the 90s right so the question is is was Jerry Springer

52:51

just a mirror of society back in the 90s growing into where we are now or

52:58

did he just give us just like you said is he just giving us what we wanted his absolute garbage TV his model is

53:05

being replicated constantly right oh he's just all in different forms yeah he was the beginning of the model correct

53:11

so I think about because we love seeing clips from whatever podcast yeah they're

53:16

funny we watched some the other day they are essentially the modern day version of a Jerry Springer yes it's one or two

53:24

smart guys they bring in these very not smart women trashy they put very

53:31

difficult social issues in front of them let them make bad decisions bad points

53:39

and break them apart for the sake of consumption exactly

53:44

they are not ready for this they come just because they want to get more eyes get more famous which is crazy and they

53:51

come in almost in a masochist way oh yeah because they know they're gonna get burned but they know they're gonna get

53:57

the eyes so it's worth it how was that any different what than what Jerry Springer did you're not wrong

54:02

you're not wrong I actually looked into the application Pro process of the whatever podcast and literally on their

54:09

directives they say if you want to become part of this podcast send us information and you can come and it's

54:15

like girl you know you're gonna get roasted yeah you know you're gonna get but these girls don't care because they

54:22

know that they're going to get hundreds of thousands of views and maybe their Instagram is going to get bumped up by 10 you know 10 000 viewers or 10 000

54:29

subscribers and so completely say to masochistic completely going into this environment where they know they're

54:34

going to get destroyed absolutely shredded by these guys who you say smart

54:39

they're they're sophisticated but I wouldn't say they're ridiculously intelligent but it's just crazy that we

54:45

live in a world now and now that we're kind of looking at it from a meta perspective absolutely that's what Jerry Springer brought about yeah he brought

54:52

about the absolute consumption of garbage TV and trash TV I mean fresh and

54:57

fit essentially does the same thing bring in these hoes

55:02

right I didn't say it Mama tear them apart on a podcast in long form you kiss

55:08

your mama with that mouth bro you know the 304s

55:13

right and uh they get they get obliterated but it's worth it because

55:19

they get the clicks they get the views maybe some guy out there like oh she's kind of cute I'll follow I'll subscribe

55:26

maybe I'll give her my eight dollars a month for the only fans oh geez you know and it was worth it because you know the

55:32

idea of there is no such thing as bad marketing good press bad press all press all good

55:39

I've heard that before and uh it's essentially the Jerry Springer model in

55:45

different form factors so I actually had a moment when I was thinking thinking about Jerry Springer and I was like did

55:50

he start the garbage TV or was the garbage TV always going to come and if

55:58

he didn't do it it would be someone else right what we had Montel Williams at the same time we had that one lady do you

56:04

remember what the lady's name she did that trashy TV as well um Ricky Lake Ricky I don't even know

56:10

why I thought of that how did you even this kid up just came out just came out from like skinny to Fat to skinny do you

56:16

remember that too like like we had a lot of those talk shows that were just absolute garbage so I think Jerry

56:22

Springer wasn't the impetus of it I think the demand was always there and he was just the one who codified it

56:29

made it really solid just bring it to the masses yeah because people at the end of the day want fame

56:35

and people will do anything just for that 15 minutes so here's the question do you think Jerry Springer is racist no

56:42

I think he's amazing do you think he but but his program made it pretty clear that there was a trashy divide of black

56:49

trash white trash Asian Asian trash rarely there's a couple Mexicans a couple times I think I remember seeing

56:54

but it was it was pretty like like low class people of color or whatever you know I don't know I don't

57:01

know if he promoted that or was that was just part of the part of the shtick I think just the fact that he would bring

57:07

anyone on that had a controversial Story the fact that he would give eyes to anybody and let the trash be trash yeah

57:14

I like the baby Obama ones the best like you are not the father and having the guy being like

57:21

what's that what's that coffin what's that coffin

57:27

not the father that's exactly right I think there was

57:32

something fun about what he did and he was before his time he was and I think

57:38

if he was in this day and era of Internet he'd be huge

57:45

yeah I I didn't think about it that way he had to do it on TV Dude he'd be God imagine if you could do it without all

57:51

the censorship we had then oh man because TV back then was super censored that's right I didn't say certain things

57:57

you can touch certain topics right all right now if you unleash that guy onto like the internet oh he'd be a god he'd

58:05

be God King guys he'd be like the god king in in the 300 movie right oh man he

58:11

would he would crush it I wonder if he'd be too old though I wonder if you'd be too old for the for the population so I

58:17

think people should be able to be who they want to be think what they want say what they want as long as government is

58:24

not pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to believe one thing which I

58:29

think is wrong which is what I'm against these days that's why I I agree with

58:35

your sentiments about you can speak however you want your preferences racism it is what it is it is only when you

58:41

start bringing in the authorities and governmental control that's where it's just like bro you went too far on this

58:48

like we don't need government telling us and creating rules and laws around this affirmative action needs to go by the

58:55

way I'm just gonna say it right there I think we the people are smart are accept thing are generally a good people

59:03

and I don't think we need to be told how to act any longer and you've brought the

59:08

point multiple times which I want just want to reiterate is the market will decide correct if you decide to be a

59:15

absolutely rambunctious and absolutely egregious and absolutely offensive

59:21

individual shouting to the world your preferences then the market will respond and they

59:27

won't do business with you correct good good you made it clear that's how it should that's how it should be instead

59:33

of the government pointing their guns at you and saying you can't do this you're a racist bake a cake

59:38

exactly bake a cake don't bake the cake if you don't bake the cake don't bake the cake

59:47

will go find the wrap bake a cake video

59:52

by I forget his name the yeah guy little John little it's a little John bigger

59:58

cake have you seen that video no it's bake a cake Little John video it's one of the Disney mashups where it's it's

1:00:05

bake a cake go find it we'll watch that it could be the end

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go find it little John there we go

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there you go [Music]

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[Laughter]

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have a good day everybody [Music]

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there's a better there's a better version of that where like it's little John that's where the cake is flashing

1:00:48

all over the face and and all this derogatory stuff